[FieldTrip] spatial and temporal ICA after beamformer

[jan-mathijs schoffelen]

Hi all,

Allow me to chime in here. As I understand it Tyler wants to do ICA on the output of an LCMV beamformer. This is in general allowed, and can be done if you know how to handle the data. In Fieldtrip there is no pre-cooked way of doing it. What you need is to fool ft_componentanalysis into believing that your source reconstructed data is of the type 'raw'. To get started, you can have a look at http://fieldtrip.fcdonders.nl/tutorial/shared/virtual_sensors. In this particular tutorial, only a few 'virtual channels' are created. You probably want many of those, defined on a 3D grid. The only constraint there is probably the amount of RAM on your computer. Note that you want to do (and will do) temporal ICA in this case. Also, note that you probably should pre-PCA your data (this will be a parameter in the specs for the options for the ICA algorithm you are going to use). If you want to apply the ICA algorithm on amplitude envelope timeseries of band-limited activity, rumour has it that the fastica method works quite well.

Cheers,
Jan-Mathijs

On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Jörn M. Horschig wrote:

> Hi Tyler,
> 
> sorry, I realized too late that you want to use LCMV on ICA components - mostly because your approach resulted in many different erros ;). Afaik, it is not possible to use beamforming on ICA components. On Wednesday we talked about this in our weekly FieldTrip meeting and identified some occasions where FieldTrip is not handling IC-data well. This can lead to unexpected results and missing warnings or errors. However, you can use dipole modelling (like EEGlab does) or MNE if you want to. These should work with ICs.
> 
> Any reason why you want to use LCMV on ICs? In theory, both steps constitute a spatial filter, so you can try to be smart and first to LCMV on all your channel level data, and then apply the LCMV spatial filter on the individual backprojected ICs. Somewhat a complicated procedure, but I think it would work?
> 
> Best,
> Jörn
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/4/2014 7:23 AM, Tyler Grummett wrote:
>> 
>> Hello fieldtrip,
>> 
>> 
>> I was wondering whether it was possible in the fieldtrip toolbox to run a spatial and temporal ICA on data after it has been run through ft_sourceanalysis (We can a LCMV beamformer on EEG data that had been timelocked).
>> 
>> 
>> Currently it is saying that I need raw data for it to be processed.
>> 
>> 
>> Tyler
>> 
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