Question about permutation testing of an interaction in a two by two design
Lin Wang
wanglinsisi at GMAIL.COM
Tue Nov 24 20:48:54 CET 2009
Dear Eric,
Thanks for your clear answer. I also have a question about the permutation
testing of the interactions in the mixed factorial design.
Suppose I have three factors, with two levels in each:
2Group(boys,girls)*2A(A1,A2)*2B(B1,B2).
Factor Group is a between-subject factor, while factor A and B are
within-subject factors. What I want to test is whether factors B influences
factor A differently on boys and girls (a three-way interaction).
Can I test the interaction between factor B and Group separately in B1 and
B2 conditions? That is, first split the data into two parts (B1, B2), and
then for each part test the interaction between factor A and Group by
subtracting the observations of A1 from A2 and taking it as a new dependent
variable.
Furthermore, if I have another factor C(C1, C2), and I'm interested in
whether the combination of B and C influences factor A differently on boys
and girls. Can I first split the data into four parts according to the
combination of factor B and C (B1C1, B1C2, B2C1, B2C2) and do the
interaction between factor A and Group separately for each part?
Thank you in advance.
Lin
2009/11/24 Eric Maris <e.maris at donders.ru.nl>
> Dear Stephan,
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> It is sometimes possible to reformulate an interaction effect null
> hypothesis such that it becomes a main effect null hypothesis (however, for
> a different dependent variable, obtained be calculating the difference
> between conditions). Such a reformulation is possible for a two-factorial
> design in which one independent variable is manipulated within subjects (in
> your case, this is condition), and the other between subjects (in your case,
> this is group). You do this by calculating subject-specific difference
> scores, [condition1 - condition2], and using these as the dependent variable
> in a between-groups comparison. This is possible by means of the standard
> independent-samples T-test, but also by means of a permutation test
> (involving permutation of the difference scores), which allows you to deal
> with the multiple comparison problem.
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> For a factorial design that only involves between-subject independent
> variables, such a reformulation is not possible (at least, I am not aware of
> it).
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> Best,
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> Eric
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> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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> > Van: FieldTrip discussion list [mailto:FIELDTRIP at NIC.SURFNET.NL] Namens
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> > Stephan Moratti
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> > Verzonden: dinsdag 24 november 2009 10:20
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> > Aan: FIELDTRIP at NIC.SURFNET.NL
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> > Onderwerp: Re: [FIELDTRIP] Question about permutation testing of an
> interaction
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> > in a two by two design
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> > Hi all,
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> > Thanks for the interesing discussion about the interaction with respect
> to
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> > permutation. I have been also struggling with this question. As we want
> to
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> > test the interaction (and not the main effect condition), I am not sure
> if
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> > resampling condition would produce the distribution of our null
> hypothesis.
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> > Regarding the interaction, we want to check if the mean values across
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> > conditions follow the same pattern in two groups (if we consider a group
> x
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> > condition interaction). If we make a line plot an interaction would be
> indicated
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> > by a line crossing if each line represents a group (ideally). No
> interaction
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> > would be represented by parallel lines for each group. So I wonder if by
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> > resampling the subject values between the groups keeping the condition
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> > structure intact, would create our null distribution for the interaction.
> If we
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> > resample condition, we would destroy the condition structure.
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> > What do you think? I would be happy for any input.
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> > Best,
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> > Stephan
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