[clean-list] future of clean

[rinus plasmeijer]

Dear Guido,

Clean is reasonably stable, so we did not feel a real urge to publish a new
system.

Furthermore, you have to understand that our work is primarily focussed on
research and on papers.
As a side-effect of our research, things change in Clean, the compiler, and
libraries.
Whenever we make a release we want it to be stable and that takes time.

We are just about to release a new version of Clean.
Furthermore we have changed the way releases are produced such that 
in the future it should become easier for us to make a new stable release. 
So I hope that we can update the system more frequently.

The new system will among others include 
- Hilde (Arjen's van Weelden prtotype functional operating system)
- support for the dynamic creation of generic functions
- a new parser combinator library made by Erik Zuurbier
- a GEC library for generating editors


We are working on a 64 bit version of the system, but this will not be included
in the next release yet.

Greetings,

Rinus





Guido Kollerie schreef:
> 
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:21:33PM +0100, Dieter wrote:
> 
> > I am a bit troubled by the latest clean development.
> > The point is: Is there still a development of clean?
> 
> I had similar concerns in the beginning of 2003, though they
> were soothed at the time when I took a course at the Radboud
> University Nijmegen and got the impression Clean was actively
> worked on.
> 
> However if one only has the frequency of the releases of the
> Clean system to go by, the frequency of updates to the Clean
> webpage, or its documentation, one might get the impression that
> Clean is not actively worked on. It doesn't help either that
> there isn't an active user community around Clean. The number of
> questions posted to this list is extremely low, especially when
> compared to the Haskell or Ocaml mailinglists for instance.
> 
> It's somewhat of a chicken and egg problem. What's the incentive
> for the Clean team to make many incremental releases of the Clean
> system, actively maintain the webpage and the documentation if
> there are very few users? Conversely why would users choose Clean
> as a language for application development if the language is in a
> (superficially) dormant state?
> 
> --
> Guido
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