[FieldTrip] Baseline removal errors in trials preprocessing

Stephen Whitmarsh stephen.whitmarsh at gmail.com
Thu Jan 17 15:17:39 CET 2019


Good point Julian. 

I though that cfg1, cfg2, and cfg3 were never used, but see I was wrong.

Back to my own cfg’s now…

Cheers,

Stephen

 

From: fieldtrip <fieldtrip-bounces at science.ru.nl> On Behalf Of Julian Keil
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 2:38 PM
To: FieldTrip discussion list <fieldtrip at science.ru.nl>
Subject: Re: [FieldTrip] Baseline removal errors in trials preprocessing

 

Dear Marion,

 

when you state: 

seg_window=[0.1 1]; % in seconds %preStim/postStim

 

Does that mean, you segment your data to 0.1 s to 1 s after the stimulus?

In that case, there is no data to use prior to 0.1 later on.

 

So, these two statements:

 

cfg1=cfg;
cfg1.baselinewindow = [-seg_window(1) 0 ];
cfg2=cfg;
cfg2.baselinewindow = [0 0.1];

 

are basically identical, as the interval -0.1 to 0 (cfg1) and 0 to 0.1 (cfg2) will both contain no data.

 

Please double check this with the seg_window set to [-0.1 1]

 

Hope that helps,

 

Julian

 

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:29 PM Marion Vincent <marion.vincent at univ-lille.fr <mailto:marion.vincent at univ-lille.fr> > wrote:

Dear Stephen,
Here is my script:
%segmentation
seg_window=[0.1 1]; % in seconds %preStim/postStim
%config
cfg= [];
cfg.dataset = filename_Data;
%% *********** TRIAL DEFINITION PART *********** (that works)
[…]
cfg = ft_definetrial(cfg);
% ***********  Re-References *********** (that also works)
cfg.reref = 'yes';
cfg.refchannel = {'EXG3', 'EXG4'};% electrode 131/132 // cell-array with new EEG reference channel(s), this can be 'all' for a common average reference
cfg.refmethod     = 'avg'; % 'avg', 'median', or 'bipolar' for bipolar derivation of sequential channels (default = 'avg')
data_Raw = ft_preprocessing(cfg);
%% *********** Baseline ***********
cfg.demean = 'yes';
cfg1=cfg;
cfg1.baselinewindow = [-seg_window(1) 0 ];
cfg2=cfg;
cfg2.baselinewindow = [0 0.1];
cfg3=cfg;
cfg3.baselinewindow = 'all';
data1 = ft_preprocessing(cfg1);
data2 = ft_preprocessing(cfg2);
data3 = ft_preprocessing(cfg3);
I’ve attached the figure with the results.
PS: In fact I made a mistake in my previous email: the result wasn’t the same when the Baseline window was ‘all’.
Let me know if you need more informations.
Thanks for your help.
Marion
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Dear Marion,



It sounds it might indeed be something as simple as a typo. Could you paste the part of your script – from baseline removal to plotting (where you don’t see a difference) - so we can take a look?



Cheers,

Stephen



From: fieldtrip <fieldtrip-bounces at science.ru.nl <mailto:fieldtrip-bounces at science.ru.nl> > On Behalf Of Marion Vincent
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:37 AM
To: fieldtrip at science.ru.nl <mailto:fieldtrip at science.ru.nl> 
Subject: [FieldTrip] Baseline removal errors in trials preprocessing



Dear FIeldtrip users, 



I’m new in using Fieldtrip for EEG processing and I’ve encountred some issues while removing the Baseline of my trials. 



I’m working on EEG signals recorded with the BioSemi system.  My pre-processing method is : 

(1)    Re-referecing the channels (necessary with BioSemi)

(2)    Trial definition

(3)    Baseline removal



I’ve read on the documentation that ft_preprocessing xcan have several cfg parameter for the Baseline removal :



% cfg.demean  = 'yes';%'no' or 'yes', whether to apply baseline correction (default = 'no')

% cfg.baselinewindow = 'all';%[begin end] ;%in seconds, the default is the complete trial (default = 'all')

% cfg.detrend       = 'no'; %'no' or 'yes', remove linear trend from the data (done per trial) (default = 'no')



I wanted to remove a Baseline defined as the average of a given window preceeding my stimulus onset. 



I tried to use : cfg.baselinewindow = [-0.5 0 ]; cfg.baselinewindow = [0 0.1] or the default window .

But the problem is that I always have the same result, no matter the window I use : the first point of my trial is put to zero and substracted to all my trial. 



I’m sure I’m doing something wrong (and that the answer is very simple), but I can’t manage to understand what is the issue.



Do you have any advice ?



Thanks ! 

Marion



Marion VINCENT
Eng., PhD , CNRS Research Engineer







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