[FieldTrip] ft_selectdata, ft_freqstatistics problems

Harsimrat Singh singhharsimrat at gmail.com
Wed Mar 27 13:54:44 CET 2013 

Thanks for your help Jorn

It now works ok.

Best regards
Harsimrat


On 26 March 2013 07:50, "Jörn M. Horschig" <jm.horschig at donders.ru.nl>wrote:

>  Dear Harsimrat,
>
> Actually, both cumtapcnt and powspctrm should be subselected. The problem
> most likely comes from the fact that your data has 32 labels but in
> powspctrm only one channel left (dimord is rpt_chan_freq_time, dimension of
> powspctrm is 73 x 1 x 2 x 3, but you have 32 labels). Whatever you did to
> your data, you made it inconsistent. A way to solve this is to make the
> label fields have the sime size as powspctrm. A better way would be to find
> out what made them inconsistent. Not sure about freq and time here, because
> you mention that these dimension are alright for your tf matrix.
> That should solve it. ft_selectdata works with all our test data. If not,
> let us know or send me a snippet of your data together with some code to
> reproduce this error and I can have a more thorough look.
>
> Best,
> Jörn
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2013 6:35 PM, Harsimrat Singh wrote:
>
>    Hi All
>
> I think I have a problem with ft_selectdata.
>
> Data Background: I have 4 class data but i am just doing classification
> (multivariate analysis) between the first two classes with 13 and 20 trials
> each.
> After the ft_freqanalysis - all the trials are contained in tf - and
> tf.powsctrm is 4D (73*1*3*4) - [trials, channel, freq, time] - Here, I have
> one channel as I removed others.
> When I use
> tf1  = ft_selectdata(tf, 'rpt', data1.trlvec(1:end));
> to get trials for only the first class
> I get
>  label: {32x1 cell}
>        dimord: 'rpt_chan_freq_time'
>          freq: [10.5000 12.5000 14.5000]
>          time: [0.3000 0.4000 0.5000 0.6000]
>     powspctrm: [4-D double]
>     cumtapcnt: [13x3 double]
>           cfg: [1x1 struct]
> Now, the size of tf1.powspctrm is (73, 1, 2, 3) which is same as
> tf.powspctrm
>  Similarly, for trials of class 2
> tf2  = ft_selectdata(tf, 'rpt', data2.trlvec(1:end));
>  Again, the size of tf2 is same as tf1 which is same as tf
>  The only difference in the structure is
> tf2.cumtapcnt which is 20 for tf2, 13 for tf1 and 73 for tf.
>
> The first question is-
>  How does ft_freqstatistics handle tf1.cumtapcnt, when I use
>  stat        = ft_freqstatistics(cfg,tf1,tf2)
>  Is tf1. cumtapcnt telling the ft_freqstatistics which trials to use of
> tf1?
>  This only works if I design the label as
> cfg. design =
> [ones(size(tf1.powspctrm,1),1);2*ones(size(tf2.powspctrm,1),1)]'
> its size is 73*2 =146
>
> Problem:
> My total relevant trials are just 13 (class 1) + 20(class2) = 33 for both
> classes and not 146.
>  I suspect I making a mistake somewhere as in ideal case, I should be
> designing cgf.design = [ones(size(tf1.cumtapcnt,1),1);
> 2*ones(size(tf2.cumtapcnt,1),1)]'
>  size(cg.design) should be 33
>  and tf1.powspctrm should have size [13 1 3 4] and tf2 should have size
> [20 1 3 4]
>
>  So after doing ft_selectdata, ft_freqstatistics should be handling 33
> trials  - with 13 from first class, 20 from other class.
>  But now it has full 146 trials even after doing ft_selectdata.
>  I will be very grateful for any help.
>
>  Best regards
>  Harsimrat
>
>     On 21 March 2013 08:34, Eelke Spaak <eelke.spaak at donders.ru.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ingrid,
>>
>> Thanks for your question; it made me realize that my e-mail was not
>> clear enough. In your case, when you repaired channels that were still
>> present in the data, the output channel order of ft_channelrepair will
>> be the same as the input channel order.
>>
>> The problem only occurs if you use ft_channelrepair to repair
>> *missing* channels, so e.g. channels switched off during acquisition
>> or that were discarded during preprocessing.
>>
>> Groeten,
>> Eelke
>>
>> On 20 March 2013 20:55, Ingrid Nieuwenhuis <inieuwenhuis at berkeley.edu>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Eelke,
>> >
>> > Thanks for reporting. I did do ft_channelrepair on my EEG data for some
>> > subjects and subsequently used ft_freqstatistics. However, the channel
>> order
>> > is indentical in all my subjects in the freq.
>> >
>> > I repaired bad channels using the default setting (method='nearest').
>> The
>> > bad channels were included in the input data to ft_channelrepair (so
>> they
>> > were not missing). I just checked, and in data_out after
>> ft_channelrepair,
>> > the order of the labels of the data is identical to the data_in, thus
>> the
>> > repaired channels were NOT appended to the end of the data. So
>> apparently
>> > ft_channelrepair not always appends the repaired channels at the end. I
>> > suppose this is good news for me, meaning that the bug did not affect
>> me,
>> > since the channels were ordered identically when calling
>> ft_freqstatistics.
>> > Do you agree, or am I missing something? And for others that used
>> > ft_channelrepair, might be worth checking if the ordering is indeed
>> changed
>> > after calling it, because it appears not always to be the case.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ingrid
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/20/2013 2:01 AM, Eelke Spaak wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear FieldTrip community,
>> >>
>> >> Short version: if you did ft_freqstatistics across subjects with a
>> >> different channel ordering across data sets (which is the case if you
>> >> use ft_channelrepair), your results might have been erroneous. Read
>> >> the following carefully.
>> >>
>> >> Yesterday, we discovered a possibly severe bug in a utility function
>> >> (ft_selectdata_old) which was used by ft_freqstatistics. The bug
>> >> entails that ft_selectdata_old assumes that the channels in all data
>> >> input arguments are ordered identically, and does not take into
>> >> account the order of the data.label field. This means that when
>> >> several data input arguments with different channel orderings are
>> >> passed to ft_selectdata_old, the resulting output structure (with a
>> >> newly added 'rpt' dimension) will contain wrong data (i.e. data for
>> >> channel X might end up in another channel Y). Importantly, the same
>> >> thus holds for ft_freqstatistics: when doing statistics across
>> >> subjects, if the different subjects' data sets have different channel
>> >> orderings, the resulting statistics will be wrong.
>> >>
>> >> We expect that in many cases, the channel ordering across different
>> >> data sets will be identical, and in those cases this bug will not have
>> >> had any effect. However, one important case in which channel ordering
>> >> *will* be different is when one does ft_channelrepair on a data set,
>> >> since this function appends the repaired channels to the end of the
>> >> data. So, if you have done ft_channelrepair on only a subset of your
>> >> subjects' data, and/or used ft_channelrepair to repair different
>> >> channels in different subjects, and subsequently passed the repaired
>> >> data sets to ft_freqstatistics, there is a good chance the results you
>> >> got were wrong.
>> >>
>> >> Most likely, this bug was introduced with revision 4101, in september
>> >> 2011, so it has been in the code for quite a while. Note that
>> >> ft_channelrepair only supports repairing missing channels since
>> >> revision 5216 (february 2012), and that this was advised against until
>> >> revision 6100 (june 2012), when the algorithm for doing so sensibly
>> >> was implemented.
>> >>
>> >> The fix has been implemented and is now available from the FTP server
>> >> as of fieldtrip-20130319 (Donders users: the fix is automatically
>> >> available on the /home/common/ version of FieldTrip). Note that
>> >> ft_selectdata_old still does not work correctly, this is something we
>> >> will fix in the near future (ft_selectdata_old is deprecated). We
>> >> fixed the behaviour of ft_appendfreq (the preferred replacement
>> >> function for ft_selectdata_old when appending freq structures) and
>> >> changed ft_freqstatistics to use this function instead.
>> >>
>> >> The other statistics functions, ft_timelockstatistics and
>> >> ft_sourcestatistics, were not affected by this bug. We strongly advise
>> >> you to upgrade to the latest version of FieldTrip. If the situation
>> >> described above applies to you, you will need to redo your
>> >> channel-level (time-)frequency statistics analyses.
>> >>
>> >> Details on the bug (and a test script) can be found here:
>> >> http://bugzilla.fcdonders.nl/show_bug.cgi?id=2069 If you find any
>> >> problems related to the bug, please post them there.
>> >>
>> >> We sincerely apologise for this bug and any trouble it might have
>> caused.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> On behalf of the FT core development team,
>> >>
>> >> Eelke
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Ingrid Nieuwenhuis PhD
>> > Postdoctoral Fellow
>> > Sleep and Neuroimaging Laboratory
>> > Department of Psychology
>> > University of California, Berkeley
>> > California 94720-1650
>> > Tolman Hall, room 5305
>> >
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