[FieldTrip] combining magnetometers and planad gradiometers for analysis

[Stephan Moratti]

Dear everyone,

It would be cool to have the possibility to choose if one wants to  
apply the SSP vectors or not. Some sites use them, others use SSS or  
tSSS, depends how noisy  your environment is. I think it is good that  
the data is read in raw format and that  the SSP vectors are not  
applied as default, but it would be great to have the possibility to  
do so. What do you think?

Stephan

El 04/06/2011, a las 0:09, Tony W. Wilson escribió:

> Dear Michael, everyone,
> I believe you are correct.  Most Neuromag sites have SSP vectors  
> computed for data acquisitions; some groups occasionally recompute  
> these per subject.  These acquisition SSP vectors are stored in the  
> fif file, but not applied w/o user intervention. In addition, I  
> believe the tag relating to these vectors is removed from the fif  
> file if you apply (t)SSS (through Maxfilter).  However, I am not  
> totally certain because I have never tried to apply these SSP  
> vectors after applying SSS.  Regardless, during analysis I treat the  
> motion corrected t(SSS) output files just like raw data files. ...  
> It is also worth noting here that one can compute new sets of SSP  
> vectors in the MNE software (not directly related to the data  
> acquisition vectors) and save these with the fif file for later  
> use.  I am not sure if these SSP vectors can be used outside of the  
> MNE software.
>
> Tony
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:05 PM, <michael.wibral at web.de> wrote:
> dear neuromag / fieldtrip community,
>
> just a small question so I can keep up with the dsicussion:
> I thought that (t)SSS would nor project in a classical sense, i.e.  
> for activities from inside the head leadfields would not have to be  
> corrected? at least this I have read on the neuromeg list. So in  
> most respcts the data should be treated just like rawdata - with  
> standard coil positions after the motion correction ?
>
> maybe someone can shed more light on this?
>
> michael
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Alexandre Gramfort" <alexandre.gramfort at inria.fr>
> Gesendet: 03.06.11 15:30:25
> An: "Email discussion list for the FieldTrip project" <fieldtrip at donders.ru.nl 
> >
> Betreff: Re: [FieldTrip] combining magnetometers and planad  
> gradiometers for analysis
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> > > I don't know enough about the elekta-software/mne-software to  
> know what is
> > > happening to the data when the ssp vectors are computed, but  
> once we know
> > > enough details it should be straightforward to build it into  
> fieldtrip.
> >
> > SSP vectors are stored in fif files and applied to data only if  
> requested.
> >
> > In a typical MNE workflow, the SSP vectors are no directly applied  
> to the raw
> > file (avoid data duplication on disk) but rather to the noise  
> covariance matrix
> > and consequently in the whitening matrix. When computing an  
> inverse solution,
> > the whitening matrix is used on the data and the lead field, hence  
> taking
> > into account the SSP vectors.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > --
> > Alexandre Gramfort, PhD
> > gramfort at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
> > Dept. of Radiology MGH Martinos Center / Harvard Medical School
> > http://www-sop.inria.fr/members/Alexandre.Gramfort/
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Stephan Moratti, PhD

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Universidad Complutense de Madrid
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