Preproc - thresholding negative z-scores too?
j.schoffelen at PSY.GLA.AC.UK
Fri Oct 31 10:30:09 CET 2008
The answer to you question would be in this case: it's a historical
thing. The Z-value thresholding was conceived to be done on filtered-
and-subsequently-rectified/hilberted data. No need to look for low
Zvalues in that case. In itself, there's no reason not to build in an
option to look for negative Z-values as well. I would gladly help to
build it into the release version for you. I would think of an
option: cfg.artfctdef.zvalue.tail, which will be 1 by default (that
is: only looking at high positive deviations), but could be -1 (for
the large negative ones), or 0 (for both sided). Could you propose an
adjusted version of artifact_zvalue to me, and I'll check it and
build it in.
As for the reduced discriminability: I still don't understand why
this is the case. I assume you have more than 1 EOG channel?
Probably, one of these guys is picking up most of the artifacts, but
if you use both channels in a single run of artifact_eog, the same
threshold is applied to both channels, which indeed would affect the
sensitivity. An alternative would be to call artifact_eog twice, with
the different EOG in cfg.artfctdef.eog.channel, so that you can use
On Oct 28, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Alexander Maye wrote:
> Dear Jan-Mathijs and All!
> Thank you for the quick response. Hilbert indeed flips my eye
> blinks towards positive
> z-values - at the cost of reduced discriminability. That is to say
> that the amplitude of the
> z-score of the eye blink is twice as high without Hilbert (but in
> the "wrong" direction). Apart
> from that I still would like to know the rationale behind
> considering deviations of the z-value
> towards +Inf as artifacts, while those towards -Inf not. This is
> the same concern as in
> #Item001386 of this list exactly one year ago. Any opinions?
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