use gui to build gui

[G.P.H. Josten]

Despite your opinion, I'm one of the guys that still prefers manual
building of gui. gui to build gui could help out to try several things,
but I'm always very confused how the form is structured and how it behaves
on resize etc.

A gui to build gui shouldn't be that difficult though, Cleans gui objects
can be changes online, although you have co devise some sort of
environment inwhich you select the different parts and do something with
them...

Greetings,
Geert

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 dufrp@oricom.ca wrote:

> I, I have not use Clean's for months because I used to borrow
> a friend computer because my hard disk was to small to have win95,
> and now that I replaced my 85Mb hd by a 4Gb hard disk, I would have
> full of place to run it, but I now use Linux (I don't have a CDROM
> yet to install win95). Maybe Clean's can be run on Linux Debian, but
> can it be run on X-Windows?
> 
> Anyway, today I have downloaded Forth for Win95 (that I had to try on
> my friend's computer) and it is quite fun to see Forth being able to
> do some buttons, menus, lists, etc. But all implementations of good
> (new) programming languanges seems to share a common problem that I
> like to share now with people here because I think Clean could gain
> more acceptance if it was to fix this problem.
> 
> Old languages (Basic, C, C++) have very good implementations.
> Clean's implementation is not bad, but I wish that you would be
> able to see that these old languages have evolved to a point where
> it is easier to make programs with nice user interfaces. Because
> with time, they have seen that writing in the program where the
> labels, buttons, etc are in their parent window is bad.
> It is far more better to use an editor to edit dialogs, create
> buttons, change menus, etc. This make programming much easier,
> so that users now accept to become programmers.
> 
> So what I want to say is that now that Clean's have nice libraries
> to do nice user interfaces, it is time to hide these libraries to
> make programs to help design user interfaces.
> It is so good to open a user interface in an editor
> of user interfaces, to click on a button and see a window appears
> with a button for each event on that button (button pressed, button
> released, etc) and then just by clicking on the button 'button pressed'
> enter in a editor that show you the code to execute when that button
> is pressed.
> 
> We tend to joke about these Visual-Languages because most of the time
> they are bad (old) languages not as good as our new super language.
> But I think we have to admit that we would gain by acknowledging
> they have made some pleasant to use interfaces editors.
> 
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