<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Ivaylo,</div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr">Following Jan-Mathijs’ advice, I’d like to add my 2 cents, as this is an issue and I’ve encountered similar problems in the past.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif">This is a hot-topic and you're not the only one having a hard time modelling the 1/f under certain conditions. Since you know Gerster et al, I </font>will include <font face="arial, sans-serif">here the rest of the relevant papers I came across during the following interesting discussion led by the EEGlab community:</font>

<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fsccn%2FOneOverF%2Fdiscussions&data=05%7C02%7Cfieldtrip%40science.ru.nl%7Ce1593e07148d4098b6e908de74632396%7C084578d9400d4a5aa7c7e76ca47af400%7C1%7C0%7C639076166345662165%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gzd%2B4GIspd5dQWWwWQFNQxM36%2FftaZZ%2B41YiwqADJEY%3D&reserved=0" originalSrc="https://github.com/sccn/OneOverF/discussions">https://github.com/sccn/OneOverF/discussions</a></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>Long story short, there's no easy way to model the 1/f and maybe, it is better to avoid the modelling rather than to insist in order to avoid wrong conclusions (see some papers below). Regarding your relative vs linear subtraction, take a look at </font>Máté Gyurkovics who faced this issue and reported what happens with this additive vs multiplicative (under)estimation. They found a weak negative rank-correlation (within-subjects) between 1/f and narrow alpha power, in line with the additive model. Here, dB conversion was an issue.</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, Brake 2024 finds that:<br><font face="arial, sans-serif">"</font><font face="monospace">these two mechanisms thus require two distinct methods of detrending, i.e., subtractive versus divisive detrending, respectively. Without prior knowledge, it is unclear which method is required. Moreover, given the amplitude of peaks above the background trend typical in EEG spectra, small additive changes in the trend would alter the peak amplitudes minimally compared to the errors introduced by incorrectly detrending (Fig. 5). Overall, we conclude that spectral detrending should not be performed unless there is clear physiological and biophysical justification and validation.</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">" so maybe your data may be closer to the multiplicative case. </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div>In my case, the spectra were somewhere in between, and I decided to drop the modelling because it caused more harm than good.</div><div><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">If you aim to relate your results to the e</font>xcitation-inhibition balance thing, I would recommend reading Chakravarty et al 2026.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Diego</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Relevant papers here:</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Gerster, M., Waterstraat, G., Litvak, V. <i style="box-sizing:inherit;outline:0px">et al.</i> Separating Neural Oscillations from Aperiodic 1/f Activity: Challenges and Recommendations. <i style="box-sizing:inherit;outline:0px">Neuroinform</i> <span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:bolder;outline:0px">20</span>, 991–1012 (2022). <a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1007%2Fs12021-022-09581-8&data=05%7C02%7Cfieldtrip%40science.ru.nl%7Ce1593e07148d4098b6e908de74632396%7C084578d9400d4a5aa7c7e76ca47af400%7C1%7C0%7C639076166345723040%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hS6h3k5DFLNBunzC7YnngcYpRJQFhtTuUZ%2BFx47cBQ8%3D&reserved=0" originalSrc="https://doi.org/10.1007/s12021-022-09581-8">https://doi.org/10.1007/s12021-022-09581-8</a></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div>Kałamała, P., Clements, G. M., Gyurkovics, M., Chen, T., Low, K. A., Fabiani, M., & Gratton, G. (2025). How to Improve the Reliability of Aperiodic Parameter Estimates in M/EEG: A Method Comparison. openRxiv. <a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1101%2F2025.11.10.687541&data=05%7C02%7Cfieldtrip%40science.ru.nl%7Ce1593e07148d4098b6e908de74632396%7C084578d9400d4a5aa7c7e76ca47af400%7C1%7C0%7C639076166345770319%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sXs0t1H9wMSbSD%2FJ4hILd5aqZrxtppTIagA8H30Dw1k%3D&reserved=0" originalSrc="https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.11.10.687541">https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.11.10.687541</a></div><div><br></div><div>Racz, F. S., Mac-Auliffe, D., Mukli, P., Milton, J., Cabrera, J. L., & Millán, J. del R. (2024). Alternative EEG pre-processing pipelines can lead to conflicting conclusions regarding cortical excitation/inhibition ratio. openRxiv. <a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1101%2F2024.11.08.622698&data=05%7C02%7Cfieldtrip%40science.ru.nl%7Ce1593e07148d4098b6e908de74632396%7C084578d9400d4a5aa7c7e76ca47af400%7C1%7C0%7C639076166345808131%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ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It seems that you have certain expectations about correlations that are not met by your data. I am not sure whether this warrants the conclusion that ’the separation fails with the default approach’.<br>
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It’s unclear what you correlate with each other, and why you expect these measures to be (linearly?) correlated or not. All in all this makes it hard to reply in a targeted fashion.<br>
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Regarding your statement of using medians for integration: this is what the irasa folks came up with, so it’s standard practice in the irasa universe.<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
Jan-Mathijs<br>
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> On 23 Feb 2026, at 17:11, Ivaylo Iotchev via fieldtrip <<a href="mailto:fieldtrip@science.ru.nl" target="_blank">fieldtrip@science.ru.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dear community,<br>
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> this is a rather general question, because it is not limited to how IRASA is used within Fieldtrip, but whoever feels like answering feel free to tie your answers to Fieldtrip functions so that it is useful for everyone here.<br>
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> I came across the slope phenomenon rather recently, and the first general question is whether component separation always works and makes sense for every type of data? I noticed that my frequency specific components each remain positively correlated with the aperiodic part (and each other), strongly so (r > .90) thus I suspect that the separation failed with the default approach.<br>
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> For this reason I need to ask the legitimacy of a few alternative approaches, that make sense to me, but might be entirely wrong and I just don't see it<br>
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> 1. Divide the mixed spectrum by the aperiodic one, point by point. For me this reduces the correlation between oscillatory and aperiodic parts, but I do not see anyone else doing this<br>
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> 2. (in combination with the above) it seems to me that using medians to integrate power across bins is a good idea, but again this does not seem to be standard practice<br>
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> Just let me know what you think or know about this, and again feel free to incorporate Fieldtrip usage in your answer to make this more valuable for the community.<br>
><br>
> Best wishes,<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Dr. Ivaylo Iotchev. Researcher. Active in the fields of ethology, psychology, and neuroscience<br>
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