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Sie erhalten nicht häufig E-Mails von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tim.redepenning@uni-bielefeld.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">tim.redepenning@uni-bielefeld.de</a>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification" style="color: revert !important; text-decoration: underline; background: revert !important; direction: revert !important; display: revert !important; font-size: revert !important; opacity: revert !important; rotate: revert !important; scale: revert !important; visibility: revert !important;">Erfahren
Sie, warum dies wichtig ist</a></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Dear Jan-Mathijs,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Thank you very much for your suggestion! I followed the advice and got results.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Now I have quite a lot of significant results. Do you also have a suggestion how to reduce that in a meaningful way?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">PCA or rather average the frequency bands beforehand and calculate the correlation/regression again?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>fieldtrip
<<a href="mailto:fieldtrip-bounces@science.ru.nl" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">fieldtrip-bounces@science.ru.nl</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Schoffelen,
J.M. (Jan Mathijs) via fieldtrip<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dienstag, 25. März 2025 15:31<br>
<b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>FieldTrip discussion list <<a href="mailto:fieldtrip@science.ru.nl" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">fieldtrip@science.ru.nl</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Schoffelen, J.M. (Jan Mathijs) <<a href="mailto:janmathijs.schoffelen@donders.ru.nl" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">janmathijs.schoffelen@donders.ru.nl</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FieldTrip] correlating EEG Data with behavioural data<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Dear Tim,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Perhaps you can start here: <a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fieldtriptoolbox.org%2Ffaq%2Fstats%2Fbehavior_signalcorrelation%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cfieldtrip%40science.ru.nl%7Cd578516452aa4c756b4b08dd710e988c%7C084578d9400d4a5aa7c7e76ca47af400%7C1%7C0%7C638791029673663096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uxPdQLA623pwQLmMBHdBXal4WHcv8Ylnh%2F47fpFmDOY%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.fieldtriptoolbox.org/faq/stats/behavior_signalcorrelation/" originalsrc="https://www.fieldtriptoolbox.org/faq/stats/behavior_signalcorrelation/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://www.fieldtriptoolbox.org/faq/stats/behavior_signalcorrelation/</a><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On 23 Mar 2025, at 17:01, Tim Redepenning via fieldtrip <<a href="mailto:fieldtrip@science.ru.nl" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">fieldtrip@science.ru.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I have a variable 'X' with 29 × 1 values that tells me how strong the desired behavioural effect is.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">And I have a matrix 'ITC_values' with 29 × 62 × 12 × 200 with EEG (ITC) values.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">29 participants<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">62 channels<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Could anyone suggest me an approach to find significant correlations between my EEG data and my behavioural data?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I had the idea to calculate Mutual information<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">So, I calculated the Mutual information between<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">X and ITC_values(: , 1 , 1 , 1)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">X and ITC_ values (: , 1, 1, 2)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">and so on.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">In other words: I calculated the relationship between the hysteresis values and each timepoint at each frequency on each channel.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">So, my result is a matrix with the size of 62 × 12 × 200 that holds all Mutual Information values.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Is this a valid approach?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Cause now I want to check the significance with a cluster permutation test. But that normally works only across subjects. But the MI values are already
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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