<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Fieldtrippers, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just a follow-up email to know if someone already got this problem of « Invisible trials » after downsampling and has an idea about how to solve the problem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Emilie</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="B0F10B12-E12A-4A39-95C8-76FB9DDCB139" src="cid:2E7F0EFE-DE20-4E77-9C49-5BCF7D41613A@crcn.ulb.ac.be" class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 21 oct. 2021 à 14:40, Emilie Caspar via fieldtrip <<a href="mailto:fieldtrip@science.ru.nl" class="">fieldtrip@science.ru.nl</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear fieldtrippers, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am trying to downsample my EEG data, originally recorded at 2048 Hz.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I run the following code:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg = [];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(37, 153, 45);"><span class="" style=""> </span>%cfg.channel = {'A1', 'B2', 'A5', 'B5', 'B6', 'B8', 'A15', 'B20', 'B15', 'B16', 'A13', 'B18', 'A27', 'A28', 'A31', 'A29', 'A30', 'A32', 'B32', 'A21', 'A31', 'B26', 'EXG1', 'EXG2', 'EXG3', 'EXG4'}%'B15';</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.dataset = [ file.name];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.bpfilter = <span class="" style="color: rgb(178, 69, 243);">'yes'</span>;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.bpfreq = bpfilterRange;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.bpfiltord = bpfilterOrder;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.reref = <span class="" style="color: rgb(178, 69, 243);">'yes'</span>;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.refchannel = chansRef;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> allData_preprosses = ft_preprocessing(cfg);</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; min-height: 12px;" class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg = [];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.resamplefs = 512;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> data_DS = ft_resampledata(cfg, allData_preprosses);</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; min-height: 12px;" class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; min-height: 12px;" class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="">When I look at individual trials for artefact rejection, something very weird happens. Basically some trials become ‘invisible’ (sorry, I don’t find any other way to describe it), see figure attached. It seems that the data do exit though because when I average my visible trials to the invisible ones, it results in an invisible ERPs graph. But when I remove the trials containing the invisible data, an ERP graph does appear (please don’t pay attention to the quality of the data, this is just an example without any cleaning).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It seems there is a logic to the phenomenon, because if I downsample to 1024Hz (so half of my initial 2048 Hz), only half of my data becomes invisible and if I downsample to 512Hz, a 3/4 of the data becomes invisible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have tried the same with a different coding, with this time downsampling before filtering as follows, but the output is exactly the same.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(178, 69, 243);"><span class="" style="">display(</span>'downsample each channel'<span class="" style="">)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>cfgp = [];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfgp.dataset = [file.name];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfgr = [];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfgr.resamplefs = 512;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> display(<span class="" style="color: rgb(178, 69, 243);">'Resampling'</span>)</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> <span class="" style="color: rgb(4, 51, 255);">for</span> i= chansAll</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfgp.channel = i;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> datp = ft_preprocessing(cfgp);</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> datr{i} = ft_resampledata(cfgr, datp);</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> clear <span class="" style="color: rgb(178, 69, 243);">datp</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> <span class="" style="color: rgb(4, 51, 255);">end</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg = [];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> datall = ft_appenddata(cfg, datr{:});</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; min-height: 12px;" class=""> <span class="" style="color: rgb(37, 153, 45);"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> display(<span class="" style="color: rgb(178, 69, 243);">'Filters'</span>)</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; min-height: 12px;" class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg = [];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(37, 153, 45);"> cfg.dataset = [ file.name];</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.bpfilter = <span class="" style="color: rgb(178, 69, 243);">'yes'</span>;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.bpfreq = bpfilterRange;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.bpfiltord = bpfilterOrder;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.reref = <span class="" style="color: rgb(178, 69, 243);">'yes'</span>;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> cfg.refchannel = chansRef;</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier;"> data_DS = ft_preprocessing(cfg, datall);</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Does anyone have any idea regarding this phenomenon?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you in advance!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Emilie</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:B0DAD142-AB36-44AD-BE9F-44EEAF25BDD2@guest.UGent.be"><Downsampling.001.jpeg></span></div></div><div class="">
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