<div dir="ltr">Hello again,<div><br></div><div>Thanks <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Jörn, indeed we are using the atlas you mentioned.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">We also found out one of the problems was that ft_read_atlas was taken from an EEGLAB directory and not a FT one.</span></div><div>
<span style="font-size:12.727272033691406px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Yet the problems persist in </span><font face="arial, sans-serif">the function clusterstat, when using cfg.avgoverroi = 'yes':</font><br></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> ??? In an assignment A(:) = B, the number of elements in A </font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">and B </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">must be the same.</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> Error in ==> clusterstat at 210 </font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> tmp(cfg.inside) = postailobs;</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Some dimensions in our code:</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">The template sourcemodel gris for the singlesphere is 17 X 17 X 17</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Hence the subject's sourcemodel grid for the singlesphere is 17 X 17 X 17</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Hence the source reconstruction is also 17 X 17 X 17</font></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The MNI MRI is 91 X 109 X 91</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The AAL atlas is also 91 X 109 X 91</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">We don't understane how come "poastailobs" is 232 (twice the number of ROIs defined in the atlas).</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">But still, " </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">cfg.inside " defined all voxel that are inside the brain in the source space, so it is clear that an assignment as that demanded by line 210 in clusterstat would not work,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">We thought we could use ft_volumelookup in order to find those voxels that correspond to the areas that got 1 in "</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">postailobs", but that won't work, since we do not have the source struct available at that point in the code.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Are we using structures of insuitable dimensions? Are we doing anything wrong? Or is there a problem with the firldtrip code itself?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Any help would be greatly appreciated!</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Aia and Roey</span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:15 AM, "Jörn M. Horschig" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jm.horschig@donders.ru.nl" target="_blank">jm.horschig@donders.ru.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div>Hi Roey,<br>
<br>
habe you tried the atlas that is shipped with FieldTrip? It can be
found in fieldtrip/templates/atlas/AAL/<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Jörn<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 10/8/2013 11:41 PM, Roey Schurr wrote:<br>
</div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Dear fieldtrippers (<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Jan-Mathijs
included),</span>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">(This
message seems long, but is actually quite simple)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Having
downloaded the latest </span>fieldtrip <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">version
(20131008), we tried rerunning the code and got the
following error:</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">
</span><font face="arial, sans-serif">??? Reference to
non-existent field 'coordsys'.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> Error in ==>
ft_volumelookup at 206</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> if
strcmp(cfg.inputcoord, 'mni') &&</font></div>
<div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif">
strcmp(atlas.coordsys, 'tal')</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> Error in ==>
statistics_wrapper at 136</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> tmp =
ft_volumelookup(tmpcfg, varargin{1});</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> Error in ==>
ft_sourcestatistics at 107</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"> [stat, cfg] =
statistics_wrapper(cfg, varargin{:});</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif">Since the spm8 MNI atlas indeed
has no "coordsys" field.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Even if we bypass this
problem (by setting "atlas.coordsys = 'mni' " by hand, or by
simply deleting that "if" line), we still get one of two
errors:</font></div>
<div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">* * * * * (1) * * * * *</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">If we define "cfg.roi =
AAL_names;" where AAL_names stores all 90 ROIs the MNI atlas
has to offer, we get an indices error:</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> ??? Subscript indices must either be real positive
integers or</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> logicals.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> Error in ==> statistics_wrapper at 213</div>
<div> tmp(i,:) = mean(dat(roi,:), 1);</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div><br>
</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div>
Error in ==> ft_sourcestatistics at 107</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> [stat, cfg] = statistics_wrapper(cfg,
varargin{:});</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* * * * * (2) * * * * *</div>
</font></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">If we define
"cfg.roi = AAL_names{1};" for example, we get a different
error:</span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> ??? In an assignment A(:) = B, the number of
elements in A and</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> B must be the same.</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div>
<br>
</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> Error in ==> clusterstat at 187</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> tmp(cfg.inside) = postailobs;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div>
Error in ==> ft_statistics_montecarlo at 326</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> [stat, cfg] = clusterstat(cfg, statrand,</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> statobs,'issource',issource);</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> Error in ==> statistics_wrapper at 298</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> [stat, cfg] = statmethod(cfg, dat, design,</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div>
'issource',issource);</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> Error in ==> ft_sourcestatistics at 107</div>
</font><font face="arial, sans-serif">
<div> [stat, cfg] = statistics_wrapper(cfg,
varargin{:});</div>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">And in "cluserstat" appears this
comment: "%this snippet is to support correct clustering of
N-dimensional data, not fully tested yet".</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Changing line 187 to: "tmp(cfg.inside)
= postailobs(1);" (and line 211 to "tmp(cfg.inside) =
negtailobs(1);") prevents this problem, but misuses the
variables vectors "postailobs" and "negtailobs"</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Any ideas on how to solve this atlas
source statistics problem (defining the coordsys field,
performing statistics across all ROIs, and using the
postailobs/negtailobs vectors) would be greatly appreciated!</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Good night,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Aia and Roey</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Roey
Schurr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roeysc@gmail.com" target="_blank">roeysc@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Dear <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Jan-Mathijs,</span>
<div>
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Thank
you so much for your kind and quick answer!</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">We
do hope this will fix things up. We will check it
asap.</span><br>
</div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Best
regards,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Aia
and Roey</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:38
AM, jan-mathijs schoffelen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jan.schoffelen@donders.ru.nl" target="_blank">jan.schoffelen@donders.ru.nl</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Roey and
Aia,
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>This indeed was our bad. We have fixed it
in the current version of FieldTrip.</div>
<div>The version will be available for
download tonight (CET), but you can get an
instantaneous update of the code repository
by doing 'ft_version update' on the Matlab
command line.<br>
<div>This will update the fieldtrip copy you
are using to the latest version. Note that
if you want to keep a 'static' version,
you need to back up the version with a
fixed date, because all changes will be
incorporated.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A little note to the following piece of
code:</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>% Load the Atlas</div>
<div>templateDir =
which('ft_defaults'); %
use a known function
(ft_defaults) to find
FieldTrip's directory</div>
<div>backslashIndices =
find(templateDir=='\');</div>
<div>templateDir(backslashIndices(end)+1:end)
= []; clear
backslashIndices;</div>
<div>cfg.atlas =
[templateDir,
'template\atlas\aal\ROI_MNI_V4.nii'];</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>The same can be achieved with the
fullfile function (which deals with
platform specific file-separators
automatically):</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>templateDir=which('ft_defaults');</div>
<div>cfg.atlas =
fullfile(templateDir,template,atlas,ROI_MNI_V4.nii');</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Jan-Mathijs</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Oct 8, 2013, at 8:25 AM,
Roey Schurr wrote:</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Hello again,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry, it seems like the
older version (with ft_<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">volumelookup)
is just our mistake.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">However
the problem is still
relevant, for the function </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">volumelookup
is still undefinded in our
case.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Hopefully
someone might know what we
did wrong.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Thank
you once again!</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Aia
and Roey</span></div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue,
Oct 8, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Roey
Schurr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roeysc@gmail.com" target="_blank">roeysc@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
Hello all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are having some
problems defining
atlas-based ROIs using
ft_sourcestatistics on
two source structures
obtained via
ft_sourceanalysis (whose
grid is later changed
according to a
precalculated MNI-warped
grid).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems like the
function
"statistics_wrapper" has
changed between
"fieldtrip-20130822" and
"fieldtrip-20131007":
line 136 now calls
"volumelookup" and not
"ft_volumelookup", so we
get the following error:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div> ??? Undefined
function or method
'volumelookup' for
input</div>
<div> arguments of
type 'struct'.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Error in
==>
statistics_wrapper at
136</div>
<div> tmp =
volumelookup(tmpcfg,
varargin{1});</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Using the older
fieldtrip vesion we get
this error:</div>
<div>
<div> ??? Subscript
indices must either be
real positive integers
or</div>
<div> logicals.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Error in
==>
statistics_wrapper at
213</div>
<div>
tmp(i,:) =
mean(dat(roi,:), 1);</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Error in
==>
ft_sourcestatistics at
107</div>
<div> [stat,
cfg] =
statistics_wrapper(cfg,
varargin{:});</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So it seems like we
didn't define the ROIs
correctly, however we
are not sure why.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any suggestions would
be greatly appreciated!</div>
<div>The relevant pieceof
code is attached.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you all,</div>
<div>Aia and Roey</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Relevant code</div>
<div>
<div>============</div>
<div>
<div>% Convert sources
units to mm, to fit
the atlas's units</div>
<div>sourceCondition1
=
ft_convert_units(sourceCondition1,
'mm');</div>
<div>sourceCondition2
=
ft_convert_units(sourceCondition2,
'</div>
</div>
<div>design = [
ones(1,length(sourceCondition1.trial)),
2*ones(1,length(sourceCondition2.trial))
];</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>cfg = [];</div>
<div>cfg.dim =
sourceCondition1.dim; </div>
<div>cfg.method =
'montecarlo';</div>
<div>cfg.statistic =
'indepsamplesT';</div>
<div>cfg.parameter =
'pow';</div>
<div>
cfg.correctm =
'cluster';</div>
<div>cfg.numrandomization
= 1000;</div>
<div>cfg.alpha = 0.01;</div>
<div>cfg.tail = 0;</div>
<div>cfg.design(1,:) =
design;</div>
</div>
<div>cfg.ivar = 1;<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>% Load the Atlas</div>
<div>templateDir =
which('ft_defaults');
% use a known function
(ft_defaults) to find
FieldTrip's directory</div>
<div>backslashIndices =
find(templateDir=='\');</div>
<div>templateDir(backslashIndices(end)+1:end)
= []; clear
backslashIndices;</div>
<div>cfg.atlas =
[templateDir,
'template\atlas\aal\ROI_MNI_V4.nii'];</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>cfg.roi =
AAL_names; % This is a
cell array of the
atlas's ROIs:
"Precentral_L",
"Precentral_R", etc/</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>cfg.avgoverroi =
'yes';</div>
<div>cfg.hemisphere =
'both';</div>
<div>cfg.inputcoord =
'mni';</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>stat =
ft_sourcestatistics(cfg,
sourceCondition1,
sourceCondition2);</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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Jörn M. Horschig
PhD Student
Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition and Behaviour
Centre for Cognitive Neuroimaging
Radboud University Nijmegen
Neuronal Oscillations Group
FieldTrip Development Team
P.O. Box 9101
NL-6500 HB Nijmegen
The Netherlands
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Web: <a href="http://www.ru.nl/donders" target="_blank">http://www.ru.nl/donders</a>
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