<div>Well you must have some expectation: Those dependent on alcohol will have a more diminshed P300 response, than someone who is not. In this case the postive or negative outcome is a net result of one group having a higher value (P300) than another group. when you have examining two components P300 and N1 then you have to perform separate tests and/or a multivariate test. In this case you will also receive some kind or R or correlation statistic where it show that the two components are inversely related to each other. That is when P300 increases, then N1 will decrease, and possibly vice versa. </div>
<div>Again I am thinking of all this when the values have been exported to SAS or SPSS, and not in Fieldtrip.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Sysoeva, Olga Vladimirovna <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sysoevao@psychiatry.wustl.edu">sysoevao@psychiatry.wustl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thank you, I understand all of this. I just do not understand why I can have more liberal, less conservative criteria (2 tail) in my ANOVA design here in Filedtrip.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I do not have any prior expectation about the result ( for example both increase in value for positive component , such as P300, and decrease in value for negative component (such as N1) can be considered as increase in the amplitude of this components).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a href="mailto:fieldtrip-bounces@donders.ru.nl" target="_blank">fieldtrip-bounces@donders.ru.nl</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:fieldtrip-bounces@donders.ru.nl" target="_blank">fieldtrip-bounces@donders.ru.nl</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gopakumar Venugopalan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Email discussion list for the FieldTrip project<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FieldTrip] ANOVA and tails<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Olga, this does not mean only right tail is possible. You could have a positive or negative sign for your test statistic, which is acceptable. That can be fixed in Fieldtrip or EEGLAB by the order you enter Condition1 and Condition 2. But to answer your question more substantively:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A one-tail test is more consevervative than a two-tail test. A two-tail test is when you have no a priori expectation where you expect the condition 1 - condition 2 to be higher or lower. Using a non EEG example if you have two groups treatment and control, you will expect yoga to lower the depression rates in treatment group and not the control group. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Similarly if you have two groups treatment and control, you will expect some protein shake to yield higher muscle mass in the treatment group and not the control group. In both cases the outcome (negative or lower in scenario one, higher or positive on scenario two) is an a priori expectation. So in a EEG sense we know that the Incongruent or deviant word will have a higher displacement than the congruent or expected word..<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Going back to the conservative versus liberal nature of the statistic.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the tabled value of the F (df1=1, df2=11) is 4.84 that is the size of the tail or the reject region, however when you halve that you tabled value is half of it. So you obtained value in the first case would have to be greater than 4.85, while in the two-tail case it slide with anything over 2.43. Therefore the two-tail is not only for exploratory purposes, but is also less conservative.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope I have helped.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Sysoeva, Olga Vladimirovna <<a href="mailto:sysoevao@psychiatry.wustl.edu" target="_blank">sysoevao@psychiatry.wustl.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Fieldtrippers,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve tried to use between subject ANOVA (independentF) and a bit confused with the tails.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve got the following message<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“For an independent samples F-statistic, it does not make sense to calculate a two-sided critical value.”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Could you explain me why? Why only right tail is possible? <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Olga.<u></u><u></u></p>
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