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Thanks for all the answers, I'll try Julian's suggestion and let you know what happens.<div><br></div><div>Luisa</div><div><br><div><div>On 16 May 2011, at 13:58, Julian Keil wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>sorry, I thought the answer would only go to Luisa. </div><div><br></div><div>Apologies,</div><div>Julian</div><div><br><div><div>Am 16.05.2011 um 14:52 schrieb Jörn M. Horschig:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi all,<br> <br> First of all, @julian: It would be nice if you wrote in English so that all people can understand what you are saying :)<br> <br> Second, I would like to mention ft_neighbourplot, which is a relative new function and plots sensors and its' neighbours in 2D or 3D, depending on whether you got 2D or 3D coordinates. Using that function, you can verify whether your neighbourselection looks meaningful and makes sense.<br> <br> Finally, we are currently working on changing/improving the neighbourselecion function. There will be different methods to choose from, and we (me) will create templates for the most common systems that can be used instead of relying on a particular mathematical selection method. We will announce this when it's done (probably soon).<br> <br> Maybe Julian is right and Luisa's problem is due to a 'wrong' neighbourselection. Given that cfg.minnbhchan is set to 4, this might be likely, because not all of the found clusters consist of 4 or more channels. What system are you using?<br> <br> Best,<br> Jörn<br> <br> <br> On 5/16/2011 2:32 PM, Julian Keil wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:DDE1521C-448B-4F10-83BA-E53104178BC9@gmail.com" type="cite">Hi Luisa, <div><br> </div> <div>schnell from the top of my head: wie definierst du denn deine neighbors?</div> <div>Ich seh nirgendwo ein Feld cfg.neighbors....</div> <div>Ich muss das bei unserem 4D-System immer angeben....</div> <div>Es könnte sein, dass du die Struktur, welche Kanäle neben welchen sind falsch definierst, so könntest du zu deinen "random" Clustern kommen.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Ich mache diese Neighbor-Struktur folgendermaßen:</div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div>cfg=[]; </div> <div>cfg.neighbourdist=0.1;</div> <div>%cfg.grad=Comb_AV1_1{1}.grad;</div> <div>cfg.layout='4D148.lay';</div> <div>cfg.channel={'all'};</div> <div>%cfg.grad.pnt=cfg.grad.pnt*100; </div> <div>dummy=neighbourselection(cfg);</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Da bekomme ich auch immer einen Output, wie viele Channels so in der Umgebung sind (sollten in etwa 5 sein).</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Hoffe das hilft dir weiter</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Viele Grüße</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Julian</div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div>Am 14.05.2011 um 22:37 schrieb Luisa Frei:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Hi there, <div>I am trying to compute a simple cluster-based statistic in a between subjects design. I have followed the steps in the respective tutorial very closely.</div> <div>This the code I used:</div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg = [];</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.method = </font><font style="font: 12px Courier; color: rgb(160, 32, 240);" size="3" color="#a020f0" face="Courier">'montecarlo'</font><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.statistic = </font><font style="font: 12px Courier; color: rgb(160, 32, 240);" size="3" color="#a020f0" face="Courier">'indepsamplesT'</font><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier"> </font><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"> </div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.correctm = </font><font style="font: 12px Courier; color: rgb(160, 32, 240);" size="3" color="#a020f0" face="Courier">'cluster'</font><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">;</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.clusteralpha = 0.001; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.clusterstatistic = </font><font style="font: 12px Courier; color: rgb(160, 32, 240);" size="3" color="#a020f0" face="Courier">'maxsize'</font><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.minnbchan = 4; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier"> </font><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"> </div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.tail = 0; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.clustertail = 0;</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.alpha = 0.005; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.numrandomization = 500; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier"> </font><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"> </div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">design = [ones(1,13) ones(1,13)+1];</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier"> </font><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"> </div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.design = design; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.ivar = 1; </font></div> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier"> </font><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"> </div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.channel = {</font><font style="font: 12px Courier; color: rgb(160, 32, 240);" size="3" color="#a020f0" face="Courier">'MEG'</font><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">,sub(1).allbadchan{:}};</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">cfg.latency = [.15 .2];</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier"> </font><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"> </div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font: 12px Courier;" size="3" face="Courier">[stat] = ft_timelockstatistics(cfg, grandavgG,grandavgE); % individuals kept</font></div> </div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Courier">%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%</font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Courier"><br> </font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">My problem is, that I'm not sure which time resolution to use. I would like to use a small resolution of 10 ms, but this leads to a fairly random pattern of significant sensors (see attached figure, on the right). Of course, the more time points I include, the less significant sensors are left over. However, another problem is, that the ones that are left (figure, left), are not related to big differences in the activation pattern at all. How is it possible that my significant sensors end up being so randomly distributed? Also, ft_timelockstatistics only comes up with one positive and one negative cluster., but the sign. sensors are not always connected. Could anyone give some helpful input here?</font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br> </font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Thanks,</font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Luisa</font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br> </font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Fyi: I have tried different thresholds and different numbers of neighbourhood channels, but there's not much of a change.</font></div> </div> <span><Picture 2.png></span>_______________________________________________<br> fieldtrip mailing list<br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fieldtrip@donders.ru.nl">fieldtrip@donders.ru.nl</a><br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.science.ru.nl/mailman/listinfo/fieldtrip">http://mailman.science.ru.nl/mailman/listinfo/fieldtrip</a></blockquote> </div> <br> </div> <pre wrap=""><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
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